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Commander Shepard ([personal profile] cmdr_renegade) wrote in [community profile] singularityooc2012-07-19 09:56 pm

Opinion time!

So, for those of you like me, who don't have the plots post tracked, I just tossed up a request for a plot I've wanted to do for a long time. Shutting down Hypatia.

Now, unfortunately, this is sort of a huge thing. I didn't talk to many people while writing this up, but not because I didn't want to. I just wanted to post it and get opinions! I wanted to talk to everyone as a group so no one felt or had a chance to be excluded.

Let's all get in on this.

I want everyone involved and excited for this! If you have any ideas, suggestions, planning, whatever, please let me know!


Your Name: Hiku
Character Name: Commander Jane Shepard
Character Journal: [personal profile] cmdr_renegade
Nature of the Action: Shutting down Hypatia.

Explain in more detail how this will work:
Shepard will gather one or (more likely) several teams in secret, brief them, arm them, and then mount a surprise assault on Hypatia and the maintenance ring of the station. The specific tactics will have to be arranged IC by the final group of characters who intend to carry out or be directly involved in carrying out the action, but it will go something along the lines of:

Find transport to the maintenance ring of the station.
Dramatic speech.
Infiltrate that ring like it's a geth dreadnought.
Shoot everything that gets in the way.
Shoot everything that looks important/related.
Deactivate Hypatia's main interface and backups. (Ideally, this should be accomplished without buggering everything else.)
Inevitably bugger everything else.
Escape. (Probably before some large explosions of some kind.)
????
Profit.

When do you expect this action to be carried out?
Ultimately, it will have to take place after the next trip to the planet. Shepard won't risk gathering a team, forming a solid plan, or disseminating any detailed intel until she's certain they're out of Hypatia's mechanical earshot. While they have the firepower, this is still going to be a military strike against an unknown quantity and there are far too many unaccounted for variables already. After a trip to the planet, the speed with which this plan is put into action will rely mostly on how quickly they can secure transport (of the variety that can't be easily destroyed by Hypatia) and square away any additional aspects of the mission. (Guns, medical, civilian prep, etc.)

In an OOC sense, it would be nice to do it as soon as possible. Perhaps late August? But I would not object to a longer timetable if everyone is on board but needs more time for shenanigans before we do this.

Is this illegal and/or sure to have negative consequences? Oh, most certainly. If this isn't illegal or likely to result in negative consequences, I can't think of what would be.

If so, do you have a plan for what's going to happen to your character? Mission specific casualties and injuries are completely open for discussion. For Shepard, in particular, I will accept a wide array of personal injury, disfigurement, or what-have-you. If/When Hypatia turns herself back on, any additional consequences would be acceptable.

Does this involve characters other than your own? Yes. All of them, in fact.

If so, have you gotten the other players' permission? Specifically, no. However, after completing this submission I intend to write up and post an OOC post to the comm. I debated whether writing this first or that first would be most appropriate but I think both, in tandem, would be ideal. Unfortunately, suggesting game-wide-plots like this isn't a simple matter, but I don't want to seem like I'm trying to circumvent either the other players or the mods in the process. If there's a real objection to this plot, in either forum, I more than understand.


So, before anyone gets upset, either by my hubris or otherwise, please hear me out.

Lately I seem to get the feeling that general enthusiasm within Sing is waning somewhat. I could be wrong, really, but I don't think I am. I don't think this has any specific cause, really I don't, but I think it is something that can be easily fixed.

The problem Sing has slowly developed is a decided lack of direct conflict. When there is conflict, the consequences are negligible. Death is reversible, shouting on the network results in hurt feelings, and occasionally Hypatia flays someone alive to get her point across. For as wonderful as all of you are as writers, and you are, there's just so very little to do when there's nothing at stake. To compound this problem, almost every character currently in Sing is, originally, a very driven character, the kind who doesn't sit idly by for anything, else they're the sort of character who only steps up when danger is present, and that's a problem. They've had to sit idly by for a long while now, with only player plots (and I love these plots, don't get me wrong here, they're awesome) to inspire them.

What I propose, to shake things up, is that some of our characters finally do something about this situation.

There's a homicidal AI. It has proven that it is homicidal. It kills people. A lot. No other person on the station has killed quite so many people, quite so gruesomely or publicly, and has gotten away with quite so much impotent rage. She even installed a security officer and a psychiatrist to handle the population. The gall. I think it's about time that our characters called enough and Shepard, who has all the data and plans prepped and ready to go, will take all comers in this assault.

This is, of course, not to say that everyone has to be Pro-Destroy-Hypatia. Frankly speaking, it's not even a good idea, at that, given just how much of the station she controls. Knocking her offline will inevitably take out the environmental controls, teleporters, medical automation, respawn, and any myriad of other comforts and necessities. Taking her out will force the people of the station to react to immediate needs as a collective, to patch holes in the hull together, to interact, to barter, to deal with the every-day inconveniences and needs of life while still keeping the scenario relatively sci-fi. It will give great power to technological prowess, let all our technically skilled characters do more than just hack credits to make life comfortable. It will give crime and a criminal underbelly time to blossom and appear, giving our villains, morally grey characters, and vigilantes something to do. More than that, it will allow for a real schism to appear between the characters and groups of characters.

Player character conflict can happen on a real scale. Decisions that might effect one character or another aren't just tangental to life any more. Joker messed with Gem? Now Gem can refuse him food, or shelter, or kill him in his sleep. It gives real consequences to actions and encourages people to band together. The last time something like this was in Sing, we had the Spartans v. The Normandy Crew and it was glorious. Let's give everyone a scenario where they can do that again, where it's encouraged. Without the AI mitigating, the other NPCs can shine, as well. Tria will earn more trust, Semley will be more hated or relied upon in equal parts, Etan can really become the lynchpin of the whole scenario. The players can gain access to the Insurgents on the planet and those jobs and needs can be integrated into station life and, even if Hypatia is reactivated, those relationships will remain and add spice to the overall workings of Sacrosanct.

I admit, it may seem like I'm trying to have a Self-Indulgent Mass Effect Cast party over here, as they will likely join her, with Shepard flipping major tables with no immediate repercussions, but I really just want to see some more variety in Sing's activity. Something that isn't just the rush of new people arriving, the hopeless rage at someone being eviscerated after a player plot, or the occasional progression of in-cast CR. This won't be opt out, but it will force every character, insular or not, to go outside of their cast for CR, or whole casts in general to look to others for aid (or in some instances, maybe attempt to destroy them). It's an interesting opportunity, but it's also a big change that will have long lasting consequences in game.

Just please, everyone, think it over before deciding.

And if you have anything you'd like to suggest, be it a change to the barebones plan, more character integration, actions after the fact, mob justice, whatever you can dream up, please, I'd love to hear it. This is an event that should and will hopefully encompass the whole game and inspire everyone again.

So, what do you all think?

EDIT:

Oh goodness, so many awesome questions and suggestions! When I am off work today I will summarize the points that have been made in the main entry so no one has to search the stack of comments below (unless they really want to).

I will also try to respond as quickly as possible to any comments here, but again, work.

Have a nice day everyone!
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[personal profile] autodidacticrobogirl 2012-07-20 06:05 am (UTC)(link)
Not enough dramatic speeches.

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[personal profile] stillshinigami 2012-07-20 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
I may be new but that's a pretty interesting plot line right there. To me it feels like a natural direction.

So if hypatia were put off line, would said tech characters be required to take care of the various teleporter glitches, etc themselves and be enabled to do so? Would they have to step up and work as technicians on the station maybe?

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[personal profile] thearchangel 2012-07-20 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
I'M IN.

COUNT ME IN.

Just picture me sitting here waving an arm around like a kid in grade school.

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[personal profile] demon_brat 2012-07-20 06:26 am (UTC)(link)
OKAY! Questions!

* How are the non-ME people going to be involved? Because other casts are already working on plans like that, and have been slowly setting up groundwork for a while.

* What happens to the civilian population if/when Hypatia retaliates (say, by shutting down life support)?

* What happens to the station - life support, maintenance, etc. - after Hypatia is shut down?

* What happens after to those who were involved... and those who weren't?
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[personal profile] brbvirmire 2012-07-20 06:34 am (UTC)(link)
Assuming the station isn't outright vented, the air wouldn't go bad right away. Especially in the garden zones, since, you know, plants. That's about the only question I can answer though, not being a mod or a Hiku.

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[personal profile] notjelly 2012-07-20 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
Camille is ready and willing to provide food to survivors and also to rip things apart as needed.

This is p much the best idea I've heard for a game ever btw.

Makes me wish I still played Jin though.

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[personal profile] notromanceable 2012-07-20 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
Awww yeah. You know I'm in.
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[personal profile] redrobinhood 2012-07-20 08:45 am (UTC)(link)
I actually love the idea of this. I'll be the first to admit that my interest has been waning because events are few and far between and there's nothing really heavy on plot happening.

SO! I have a few things to add in/ask~ :3

If I were to get Tim involved, he'd need to know practically everything Shep has planned. I've been planning on having him get Kon to take him down planetside and that could certainly coincide with this?

Also, Tim's been working on a program - a dumb AI - to replace Hypatia. If he had enough time to complete it, it could at least keep the station systems running (probably on low power?) for a short while until Hypatia destroyed it. I would, obviously, be willing to accept all the punishment for Tim in that instance. And this is all if the mods were to OK it - it was something I planned on putting in as an event app if I stayed around long enough.

It's entirely likely that Tim might even come on board with this without Batfam approval given his current feelings towards how he stand with them. He's not so much pro-destroying Hypatia as he is fixing or replacing her to ensure the safety of those on the station. So yes, I'm interested and Tim will be too - he'll just want to know everything and he'll have a bargaining chip for that?

Ugh idk if this is actually making any sense and i'm sure there was something else i meant to say but TDKR killed my sleep schedule.
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[personal profile] soundslikeafuckingkid 2012-07-20 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
An idea to get others involved! If anyone in the ME cast is particularly good at hacking, they could ask OOCly if people are okay with their encrypted threads being hacked. I know CT herself has done a lot of investigating under into Hypatia under encrypted filters but is just one woman. She would easily be on board to shut Hypatia down and does have infiltration skills.

So I guess if others want to be involved outside of ME, you could have a character ICly hack into encrypted filters, looking for others who might be interested (with prior OOC permission of those who volunteered/want to be involved) and have Shepherd contact them privately?

have I mentioned I'd like to be involved rofl
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[personal profile] shipper 2012-07-20 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my gosh this sounds like a giant violence party I AM SO IN.

Er, more specifically Nepeta is up for smashing all of the things and providing meat after everything blows up and Rattmann will try and pull himself together for hacker tech duty.

I figure if he's in a group of other techy people he could help stop the super vital shit from going offline when Hypatia goes down since in-canon he's been able to go under a similarly homicidal and super-advanced AI's nose to do shit like rig aspects of her tests to be more favorable.

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[personal profile] a_perfect_end 2012-07-20 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
This is literally my favorite kind of space station plot ever, so I'm super-super-excited.

My only concern is that while the whole game is running it, what do we do for new arrivals? If the teleporters are out long-term, they'll be trapped in the Junkyard...

I would actually really like it if some of what gets handled in play is whatever they have to do to help new people out. I think this could boost interaction with brand-new muses. Hurrr this is basically me thinking out loud at this point TL;DR

I think it's also important, motivation-wise, to look at ways characters could restore something like the status quo, three to six months out, real-time. It'll give some of us windmills to tilt at for a while, and the rest of the station residents would get their hot water back. XD

I love this so, so much. /squeeble

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[personal profile] im_apimp 2012-07-20 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I kind of really love this plot.

My characters won't, but I do.

Unfortunately, the one character who could actually feasibly get in on the action is Alec, and ... Alec won't because he's more worried about what will happen if Hypatia goes offline, and he doesn't want to die a space death. You've already gotten a lot of questions about the life support systems so I won't repeat them, and I'm totally okay with just dealing with the aftermath.

Regardless, I AM FOR THIS. And this might be just what I need to get me back into the game.
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[personal profile] token_vengeance 2012-07-20 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I want this--I will type up more later, but because of Erik's ability with magnetic fields, he's always thought he could fry the fuck out of Hypatia with the right direction and help.

BASICALLY ERIK WANTS IN ON THE DISTRUCTION. BAD IDEAS AND HIM GO HAND IN HAND.

And also in every game he ends up bros with Female shepard why should it stop now
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[personal profile] articletwelve 2012-07-20 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
The short version is that I absolutely love this, and am all for seeing it happen. I think you're right that the game needs a shakeup, and this looks like just the thing.

Wash would be all for taking shit down; he has a couple contingency plans that'd be really fun to work with - I know he's talked to Delta about running at least a part of the station if Hypatia went offline, so he'd be ready to jump on board.

My main concern is with the organization of a plot of this size. It would affect the entire game and change up the existing status quo (which I love, because it's a lot of new avenues of plot and character development to work with) and it'd need a lot of OOC communication to really be carried out well. Just something we'd all have to keep in mind, I think.

The other thing is that I'd like to see some part of it - idk what exactly, at this point, but just something to really force insular characters to interact and work together, both in and out of casts. It's very easy for characters to avoid each other with the size and scope of the game, so something where they're in much smaller areas (over longer periods of time than, say, prom) would be really interesting to play with.
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[personal profile] suckitmagneto 2012-07-20 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I am also down for this plot! I'm a little concerned about its scope too but you've already addressed that in other responses so :D York and Claudia would both be pretty much all over this kind of plan, I think, and it'd be a really great IC opportunity for both of them, since York hasn't really had an opportunity to put her skills to good use yet! Plus Claudia's a tech genius/gadgeteer and loves getting her hands all over stuff she's never worked with before so she'd be all over helping with trying to fix any station systems that've gone down in Hypatia's absence. Harry is...less useful in this situation but I'd happily volunteer York and Claudia for plot stuff.

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[personal profile] urbaninja 2012-07-20 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, so I'm sitting here trying to formulate a response but what are words, seriously.

Bottom line: I'm interested, I think it would be neat. However, and this has probably been brought up before, I think we'll need to make sure IC and OOC communication is as clear as possible and doesn't move too fast.

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[personal profile] asari_scientist 2012-07-20 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
you know how I feel about this c:
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[personal profile] alaspooryork 2012-07-21 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
Yo! Sounds like a fun idea. Just wanted to add in what Larissa had already mentioned earlier: Delta has been working for...over a year now, I believe, on developing various protocols for how to support life on the station by himself if need be if anything should happen to Hypatia. While he doesn't need that pesky oxygen or gravity or heat that the rest of y'all do, he is at heart a good guy and would rather see everyone safe than stationcicles.

As far as how much he could actually do that would be completely up to the mods of course, but assuming he could be installed into the network on a semi-permanent basis, he would be able to be an actual friendly AI running some things. It would probably be quite out of his league to run the whole station, but for example it wouldn't be hard at all to keep life support going in one sector, possibly 2-3 before any kind of strain would set in.

Also since Emile is the last Spartan standing, he obviously needs to be involved somehow.

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[personal profile] selfmadehero 2012-07-21 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
So, Steph hasn't been here for any events and hasn't had enough time to really form much of an opinion about Hypatia beyond what she's heard. Considering this, she doesn't really have much of a stake in any of this plot.

BUT. She is totally dedicated to the Bats and making them like her so whatever they decide? She's on board with. Basically she'd be taking orders only from them, but if you have any use for her and the others aren't set against it, Steph is your girl.
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[personal profile] accidentalspark 2012-07-21 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes.

Good.

I definitely want Katniss involved, but she'll be a case of how the plan comes across ICly, in terms of like... what turning off Hypatia will mean for the station 8|a She's no stranger to tactical sort of missions or dramatic speeches, but on some level she'll have concern for civilians. It's grappling with that middle ground, how far she's willing to go because like hell she trusts Hypatia -- something I think I need to handle IC above making that choice OOC.

BUT YES this plot. It's glorious, and I love the potential for all the fallout that comes from turning off the AI, especially on the interactive new situation on the station side. All the concerns seem to be getting addressed already as well. c:
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[personal profile] soldad 2012-07-21 08:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I think this is a brilliant idea. If we can get the mods on board to help, they might be able to help coordinate what characters could do to help to maintain gravity, air, food and transporters.

I'd say I'm throwing Arthur in. Clove is too terrified of what if Hypatia shuts off to actively participate.

Another thing I might present, RE: the ooc arrivals and gravity, air, etc: What if they found where these things are powered? Hypatia is an AI, but there must be manual controls as well. Maybe a few tech-savvy characters could take rotations staying where those controls are, to maintain everything. It's a good workaround, and if they're on rotations they can have CR with each other but still go outside the maintenance area for CR.

This is a thought. It's only workable if there are manual backups for the things that Hypatia keeps running.

Also, if we get the mods, perhaps the rebellion could be of some assistance as well C:
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[personal profile] unchimerical 2012-07-21 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Declaring definite interest because boy it would be nice to make Zel do something that is less mopey and selfish. And he has no shortage of world-shattering mayhem causing abilities.

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[personal profile] halfheartedcurse 2012-07-22 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
I want this and I want to participate in this. It's a really good idea to kick the game up a notch, and to help players sort of feel like shit that they're doing has a long term effect (e.g. your example with Gem and Joker.). That's kinda all I have to say.

Declaring definite interest for Eve and Kanaya. If Eve is the only one to come out of this unharmed, I will laugh so hard.

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[personal profile] chozobloodrites 2012-07-22 05:57 am (UTC)(link)
Samus forever on the frontlines! Lara doesn't give a fuck, she just wants to go home. Steph might help, but only for the good of everyone on the station.
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[personal profile] reaction 2012-07-23 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
Totally new here, but I'd just like to say that this sounds like an amazing plot, and I can't wait to see all the action happen. Will have Damon here deal with the aftermath and I will definitely be stalking all threads. Really excited for this.
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[personal profile] babesapien 2012-07-24 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
latest of the late here, but this plot sounds absolutely awesome. I'd love to offer Abe to help out if he can. He's mostly used to hunting down monsters and the like with the B.P.R.D., but hey. He can work with Crazy A.I. as well.

Either way, he'd definitely be interested in trying to assist with all of this.

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